I mean for crying out loud, what the hell is an “Islamic no-go area” anyway?!?
This is the stunning paragraph itself, from the very confused original:
Alongside these developments, there has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into “no-go” areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability.
So, let me address you directly then: what exactly are we talking about here then Dr. Ali? Why can’t you go into these “no-go” areas? Is it because of:
Salafi Check Points at the road junctions?
Sufi Road blocks?
Braelwi Watch-Towers?
Tablighi Foot Patrols? (Hey that was good wasn’t it?).
And all of the above protecting Fortress Islam, with its castle walls, deadly moat, surrounded by the cavalry in their stunning turbans, gleaming daggers and MC-Hammer pants. Don’t forget all those AK-47s and some of the Islamic soldiers on the roads eating babies to add effect to the occasion and then with the Ikhwan’l-Muslimeen acting as border control checking Islamic Political Party affiliation…well, not only is it truly a “no-go area” but I’m amazed if any dirty kaaafir can actually get in!!
Dr. Ali, you’re more deluded than we are. And we only talk about this kind of bakwas in our dreams. Or on Facebook. That’s a joke by the way; I only wish all the Muslim communities could just sit down together, forget about build a fortress. I mean goodness, who’d lead the prayer during coffee-breaks?
You entitled your piece “Extremism flourished as UK lost Christianity” but maybe you should first consider before blaming the rest of the multi-faith community that perhaps Christianity lost the UK? I want to say something about how a wolf in sheep’s clothing will always still be a wolf and that the rest of us have a right to want to run from said wolf, but I’ll probably get in trouble at the next inter-faith meeting, so forget that one. I also know that you like stirring things up a bit, rather like me actually, but at least talk with evidence, knowledge and stability. Ahh, stability. Now there’s an interesting thing. I’m not too convinced which camp you want to remain with for the time being: Roman Catholic or just Good Ole’ Straight. Let’s just hope you don’t go down the line of one of your favourite “black Christian Churches” such as the Church of the Red Breast or even more recently something like Jonathan Edwards’ line and become a member of the Church of No God. Woops.
If that ever did happen (God forbid), I don’t think the Church of England could handle being attacked with such rubbish, and I think we’ve had enough of it too. So enough of this pitiful garbage and let’s get serious for a second.
Clearly Rochester is a very nice and dreamy place because the reality (or lack of) there has coloured your mind, thinking and vocabulary. I’ll tell you what a “no-go area” is: it’s the central market place in Baghdad which is under the occupation of George Bush’s Crusade. And do you know why it’s a no-go area? Because you won’t come back alive to tell me why. Actually, maybe you will – I forgot that you supported the creation of it didn’t you?
You don’t want international examples? Ok then, I’ll tell you what a “no-go area” is: here in Salford. I’ve had the distinct pleasure of working in the Langworthy Road area of Salford, and it might as well just be called Hell. You’re likely to be mugged, beaten, abused or all the above within a few minutes of getting out of your car, which won’t be there by the time you get back of course. And here, you don’t buy houses, you buy the road. It comes with all the wood in every single boarded-up window absolutely free. Oh and guess what? No sign of a Muslim anywhere.
The irony of all this is that I used to live in equally such rough places such as Hulme and particularly Moss Side back in the day and other places I’ve worked regularly in such as parts of Cheetham Hill and Toxteth, which really were “no-go areas” for real reasons and not just your own political jousting. Now, with the influx of Muslim immigrants to some of these areas, and the blessed evangelical plans of existing British Muslims (yes, you did read that correctly) making inroads into these areas of crime, fear and poverty, we are enjoying the safest periods of time that I can remember. And I’ve actually walked in these areas with other non-Muslims Dr. Ali, have you?
Anyway, I don’t see why I should bother gracing your delusions especially when others have clearly refuted you, but hey, at least it was a fun bit of ranting for 15 minutes that brought a smile to my face.
Cheers mate. Sorry, Reverend.
Regards,
Matt
January 8, 2008 at 12:00 am
cool post ‘Matt’
hehe!
January 8, 2008 at 6:39 am
Alhamdulilah, nice post.
I was half bracing myself for the usual suspects to come out and say this was all true, but alhamdulilah, i think the lies and propaganda is crystal clear this time…
Let’s see more of this in future when it is needed…
Jazak Allahu khaira,
Wasalaam
January 8, 2008 at 12:44 pm
You’ve really been in manchester that long? How come you still sound like a southerner ie accent?
January 8, 2008 at 5:59 pm
he’s probably Gay anway
January 8, 2008 at 7:06 pm
LOL
January 8, 2008 at 7:58 pm
As-Salaamu ‘alaikum,
Some of the African churches in south London are a hoot – I remember seeing one big sign on a back street in Camberwell saying “POWER CHURCH”. But some of them are less amusing, like the Gilbert Deya Ministries which is famous for sourcing “miracle babies” from the slums of Nairobi. I’m surprised you didn’t offer that example rather than the “Church of the Red Breast” which is an anti-419 activist’s invention.
January 8, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Sorry Sheikh Ni’matullah for using your comments page as a forum but I would like some opinions.
I recently attended the “Real Deal” course held in Manchester on financial fiqh. Subhanallah I think my fellow students would agree it changed the way we see our transactions.
I am looking into changing all my bank accounts. What are people’s opinions on Amanah. It is related to HSBC but they claim they are shariah compliant.
Jazakallh khair
January 9, 2008 at 11:38 am
Wa ‘alaykum salam wa rahmatullah
Sorry Sheikh Ni’matullah for using your comments page as a forum but I would like some opinions.
That reminds me that everyone who requested a local forum to be set-up will be pleased to know that the PG forums site is very close to completion and that way everyone can discuss whatever they want until the cows come home!
It is related to HSBC but they claim they are shariah compliant.
My personal involvement with Amanah was reviewing their role-out of their house-purchase plan alongside some other individuals here in the UK. I’m satisfied with the permissibility of that but I’m not able to vouch for anything else personally.
As for different opinions then I think you should stick to that of your teacher. If you went to the Real Deal course then that was taught by Tawfique I believe. He certainly was very much against the Amana house purchase products the last time we debated it, and I don’t think he’s changed his mind on that yet. As for myself, as well as many leading scholars in the field of Islamic finance, then the current model of musharakah is satisfactory insha’Allah.
And Allah knows best.
January 12, 2008 at 12:33 am
[...] Abu Esa This entry was written by irfghan, posted on January 11, 2008 at 11:33 pm, filed under Michael Nazir-Ali, Telegraph. Bookmark the permalink. Follow any comments here with the RSS feed for this post. Post a comment or leave a trackback: Trackback URL. « No-go Nazir-Ali [...]
January 14, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Hey man don’t knock the beautiful city of Rochester, I lived there most of my life! I used to sit in Rochester Cathedral with my school way before Reverend Sahib even came along with his amazing sideburns and desi-accent ‘father, son and holy spirit’ talk
Clearly what has poisoned his mind with so much hatred for Muslims is not unrelated to some of the factors behind his families’ conversion from Shi’ite Islam which no doubt shaped his own opinions of us infidels.
January 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Au contraire my hasty brother, rather I have praised Rochester (wherever that is) by clarifying that your Bishop is the one who is sullying Rochester’s good name.
Ay na’m.